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What is the largest number of airgroups that can operate off a CV?

Very important, because I want to load up fragments onto a health CV for phase two of this little battle: (PS: Who do you think won this, it's 12/42. Enterprise, Ryujo, Formidable are sunk awhile ago, every other CV in Pacific still afloat, until this that is. I am thinking I win because I still have undamaged CV's, just not many.....)

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarawa at 85,91

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Nachi, Shell hits 2
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
CA Kinugasa
CA Kako
CL Naka
CL Natori, Shell hits 2
CL Kuma
CL Tama
CL Kiso
CL Yubari
DD Yugumo
DD Makinami
DD Oyashio
DD Yukikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Shiranuhi
DD Amatsukaze
DD Urakaze
DD Arashi
DD Tanikaze
DD Arare

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Shell hits 6
BB Indiana, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, on fire
CA Northampton, Shell hits 7, on fire
CA New Orleans, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Laffey
DD Anderson, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Day Air attack on Tarawa , at 85,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
A6M3 Zero x 4
A6M3a Zero x 15

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 2
B-24D Liberator x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 2 destroyed
B-24D Liberator: 15 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
8 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42
A6M3a Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 23
SBD Dauntless x 64
TBF Avenger x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 19 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 16 destroyed, 28 damaged
TBF Avenger: 15 destroyed, 15 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 3, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
A6M3a Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
SBD Dauntless x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 27 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
A6M3a Zero x 20

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
SBD Dauntless x 17
TBF Avenger x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Bomb hits 1
CV Soryu, on fire
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Zuikaku, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hiryu

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
A6M3a Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
SBD Dauntless x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 23 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hiryu, Bomb hits 5, heavy damage
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
A6M3a Zero x 7

Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 11 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Zuikaku, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 90,92

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Torpedo hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42
D3A Val x 21
B5N Kate x 85

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 82

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 22 destroyed
D3A Val: 6 destroyed, 7 damaged
B5N Kate: 35 destroyed, 15 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 19 destroyed, 19 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 3, on fire
DD Buchanan
DD Farragut
CL Nashville
CA Houston

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 46
A6M3 Zero x 12
G4M1 Betty x 11

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 15 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 31 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CV Hornet, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,95

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 38
A6M3a Zero x 22
B5N Kate x 39

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 25 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 20 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,95

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 21
A6M3a Zero x 13
B5N Kate x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 5 destroyed, 11 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed
B5N Kate: 4 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CLAA Atlanta
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 82,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
A6M3 Zero x 2
G4M1 Betty x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB South Dakota, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 89,92

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Indiana, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
A6M3a Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 15
TBF Avenger x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged
TBF Avenger: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1
BB Kongo
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
A6M3a Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu, heavy damage
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,95

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 3
B5N Kate x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 damaged
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
D3A Val x 8
A6M3a Zero x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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PS, I am Japan, forgot to mention that! The Bettys are flying off a fairly damaged airstrip at Tarawa, the B-25s from a similarly challenged airstrip at Apanama
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5 units is the maximum number of units.
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CARNAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, there is a ton of damage there, other than maybe a larger surface action, that's about as big as it can get in late '42.

All of these ships are "On Fire, Heavy Damage":

Wasp: Sunk
Yorktown: 6 bombs, 6 torps (How is it still floating?)
Hornet: 4 bombs, 5 torps (Ditto)
Sara: 4 bombs, 3 torps
Lex: 4 bombs, 3 torps
Indiana: 8 Shell Hits, 3 Long Lance Torps, 2 Aerial Torps (Wow, she is tough)
Tennessee: 2 Torps
New Orleans: 8 Shell hits, 1 Long Lance
2 More DD's SUNK

Plus, Washington, South Dakota, San Diego took at least 1 Torp, on fire


That accounts for every US CV, either Sunk or Heavily Damaged (Enterprise sank 12/41)
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Some of the hits can be FoW. I had Yorktown take 2 Bombs and 1 Torpedeo and when I looked at her, she had 12 SYS and 0 FLT damage.
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ORIGINAL: Nomad

Some of the hits can be FoW. I had Yorktown take 2 Bombs and 1 Torpedeo and when I looked at her, she had 12 SYS and 0 FLT damage.

Good point. Is "On Fire, Heavy Damage" FoW? That is important, because if the CV is on fire, it isn't launching aircraft.

On the Combat Report, Shokaku took 21 1000lb bombs. She didn't sink, though. (I have told the crew to have lifevests handy however).
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Care to post a damage report for the Japanese Carriers?  [&:]
 
 My guess now is that the Allies won, simply because it looks like you will lose some carriers, and the Americans get theirs back.  Even damaged Jap carriers will need significant yard time, and may not be able to take advantage of the superiority in CVs due to the late date, and the fact that the Allies will start to get new CVs and CVLs hot and heavy soon.
 
Still, a Glorious fight for the IJN.  [&o][&o] I would not be suprised to see several of those Allied CVs sink.
 
 
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A agree with blam0, I think the USN won in the long run. They will get a bunch of Essex class CVs are replacements and good CA/CLs for replacements also. The IJN has had its mobile air arm severly damaged.
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ORIGINAL: blam0

Care to post a damage report for the Japanese Carriers?  [&:]

My guess now is that the Allies won, simply because it looks like you will lose some carriers, and the Americans get theirs back.  Even damaged Jap carriers will need significant yard time, and may not be able to take advantage of the superiority in CVs due to the late date, and the fact that the Allies will start to get new CVs and CVLs hot and heavy soon.

Still, a Glorious fight for the IJN.  [&o][&o] I would not be suprised to see several of those Allied CVs sink.


I'm not sure if my opponent is reading this, so not sure I should answer. No doubt I am toast in '43 when all those CV's come on, but I think I can get a respite here because he does not have an undamaged CV at this point, until at least 2/1/43 (when Essex appears), and won't have 4 undamaged CV's until 4/1 or thereabouts. I am not counting CVE's or the RN (I know he has paid PP's for the RN CV's, but has also lost one)
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I'd call it a (marginal) Japanese victory myself.

The IJN should retain carrier superiority far longer than happened IRL. That should help provide more time to dig in.

However once the USN does come back they'll have a far larger ratio of superiority than they did before this battle.

So I'd say it's an IJN victory. But not an unqualified victory.
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"No doubt I am toast in '43 when all those CV's come on,"

Those replacement CVs won't show for 450 days, roughly 15 months - so they will not show up in 1943, but rather about April '44.
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