Fall Grün
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Fall Grün
UPDATE
Scenario was released!
http://fallgrun.googlepages.com/
Inspired by Vic's tutorials about scenario creations I juststart work on Fall Grün scenario
Fall Grün (Case Green) was a German plan for an aggressive war against Czechoslovakia. The first draft of the plan was made in late 1937, with new versions coming as the military situation and requirements changed. The final version scheduled the attack to September 28, 1938, but as France and Great Britain were reluctant to go into war for the sake of Czechoslovakia and expressed political will to avoid it at all costs, the execution of the plan was postponed and later, after the Munich Conference that took place on September 30, 1938, the plan was completely abandoned.
I assume that Czechoslovakia reject Munich Agreement and Germans launched offensive on October 1st, 1938.
Full historical OOB from 1938 will be created (involved units only), no production except supply/pp and map cover Bohemia, Moravia and western part of Slovakia.
Poland and Hungary are neutrals.
Here is the first picture (click for full version)
Now I'm working on map (almost done), city picture (I want exact picture of each city) and units (SFT should be with correct pictures too)
Scenario was released!
http://fallgrun.googlepages.com/
Inspired by Vic's tutorials about scenario creations I juststart work on Fall Grün scenario
Fall Grün (Case Green) was a German plan for an aggressive war against Czechoslovakia. The first draft of the plan was made in late 1937, with new versions coming as the military situation and requirements changed. The final version scheduled the attack to September 28, 1938, but as France and Great Britain were reluctant to go into war for the sake of Czechoslovakia and expressed political will to avoid it at all costs, the execution of the plan was postponed and later, after the Munich Conference that took place on September 30, 1938, the plan was completely abandoned.
I assume that Czechoslovakia reject Munich Agreement and Germans launched offensive on October 1st, 1938.
Full historical OOB from 1938 will be created (involved units only), no production except supply/pp and map cover Bohemia, Moravia and western part of Slovakia.
Poland and Hungary are neutrals.
Here is the first picture (click for full version)
Now I'm working on map (almost done), city picture (I want exact picture of each city) and units (SFT should be with correct pictures too)
RE: Fall Grün
May I suggest:
http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/037_czechoslovakia/__czechoslovakia.html
and
http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/037_czechoslovakia/_czech-army.html
http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/037_czechoslovakia/__czechoslovakia.html
and
http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/037_czechoslovakia/_czech-army.html
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RE: Fall Grün
thanks, I already got oob fro czechoslovakian army
german oob was hard one, fortunately I found it on Feldgrau.net forum
http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2/viewtopi ... b1425c35e5
german oob was hard one, fortunately I found it on Feldgrau.net forum
http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2/viewtopi ... b1425c35e5
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RE: Fall Grün
Very cool, Arkady, I look forward to playing this one.
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RE: Fall Grün
Thanks for the effort, Arkady, I'll play your scenario for sure.
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RE: Fall Grün
Map is done.
For now I made all changes only in scenario with disconected masterfile
I believe that I should step back and create my own masterfile first.
For now I made all changes only in scenario with disconected masterfile
I believe that I should step back and create my own masterfile first.
RE: Fall Grün
Czechoslovakian OOB finished
I omit III.Army and two divisions from High Command reserve dislocated in Slovakia
I scaled units as regiments with command structure High Command->Army->Corps/Border Area
No division level HQs
It seems to me that level density is too high but stack values and combat power is not high, maybe it will work
Next step is German Army
There will be no research but I need diverse some technological advantage
German Fighters are level II (Czechs only level I)
No dive bombers for czechoslovakian army
Light Tanks level I & II for both armies (level I = PzI and Pz II for Germans and tankettes vz.33 for Czechs; level II = Pz III and Pz IV for Germans and Lt-34 adn Lt-35 for Czechs)
And finally some screenshot (click for full version)
I omit III.Army and two divisions from High Command reserve dislocated in Slovakia
I scaled units as regiments with command structure High Command->Army->Corps/Border Area
No division level HQs
It seems to me that level density is too high but stack values and combat power is not high, maybe it will work
Next step is German Army
There will be no research but I need diverse some technological advantage
German Fighters are level II (Czechs only level I)
No dive bombers for czechoslovakian army
Light Tanks level I & II for both armies (level I = PzI and Pz II for Germans and tankettes vz.33 for Czechs; level II = Pz III and Pz IV for Germans and Lt-34 adn Lt-35 for Czechs)
And finally some screenshot (click for full version)
RE: Fall Grün
-Do you plan to create customized aicraft (Ju-87 and Me-109 for Germans, Avia B534 for Czechs and so on)?
RE: Fall Grün
I will use generic SFTypes (light tank I, light tank II, fighter II, dive bomber I) but with adjusted images (correct types for czechoslovakian army)
But create historic masterfile with WWII SFTypes names and tech tree is another idea in my mind...but Fall Grün project is priority now.
German OOB ready, now I need add Luftwaffe units and than I will made corrections and comabt testing
But create historic masterfile with WWII SFTypes names and tech tree is another idea in my mind...but Fall Grün project is priority now.
German OOB ready, now I need add Luftwaffe units and than I will made corrections and comabt testing
RE: Fall Grün
One day late [8D]
Almost done, I hired two beta testers and hard work just begun...tweaking [;)]
and promised screenshots (click for full version)
German 33rd Infatry Regiment from 13.Infatry Division (mot.)
Czech 4th Dragoon Regiment from 4th Fast Division
German panzers trying breakthrough border fortifications
Almost done, I hired two beta testers and hard work just begun...tweaking [;)]
and promised screenshots (click for full version)
German 33rd Infatry Regiment from 13.Infatry Division (mot.)
Czech 4th Dragoon Regiment from 4th Fast Division
German panzers trying breakthrough border fortifications
RE: Fall Grün
If anything can go wrong, it will
For some strange reason at the start of AI turn it will show "Index out of bounds" error
If I click continue, AI processing steps reach 13000 and still counting
I'm curious now if there si some limit on number of units and subunits in scenario
For some strange reason at the start of AI turn it will show "Index out of bounds" error
If I click continue, AI processing steps reach 13000 and still counting
I'm curious now if there si some limit on number of units and subunits in scenario
RE: Fall Grün
ORIGINAL: Arkady
If anything can go wrong, it will
For some strange reason at the start of AI turn it will show "Index out of bounds" error
If I click continue, AI processing steps reach 13000 and still counting
I'm curious now if there si some limit on number of units and subunits in scenario
I was messing with the editor, setting up some tests, and had this same thing happen. But I only had 3 or 4 units. I had been messing with events, so I suspected I had simply messed up an event. So it might not have anything do to with the number of units, rather it might be associated with an event that didn't complete crorrectly.
Rick
RE: Fall Grün
I solved the problem (see Support forum) and continue testing
It is 4th day of war, I crush German attempt to advance to Moravia from south and north, I lost Bratislava though
There is a stalemate in southern Bohemia, Germans now advancing through Böhmerwald
Large enemy forces breakthrough through Labe(Elbe) river valley from Dresden and reaching Bohemian Plateau north west of Prague
Losses are terrible on both sides
I'll need evacuate rest of my airforces (click for full version)
I'll probably need tweak down number of artillery for both sides
It is 4th day of war, I crush German attempt to advance to Moravia from south and north, I lost Bratislava though
There is a stalemate in southern Bohemia, Germans now advancing through Böhmerwald
Large enemy forces breakthrough through Labe(Elbe) river valley from Dresden and reaching Bohemian Plateau north west of Prague
Losses are terrible on both sides
I'll need evacuate rest of my airforces (click for full version)
I'll probably need tweak down number of artillery for both sides
RE: Fall Grün
I tested scenario for both sides ... now is Arkady working on some changes and balancing oob ...
Excuse my English ... I hope is better then Your Czech ...
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RE: Fall Grün
Looking forward to it!
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RE: Fall Grün
Although AI behaviour is below my expectations, without scripting is probably hard to achive more historical style of play.
I have one "big" problem though.
German AI run out of supplies within 6-8 turns. There is surplus production of supplies so I have few theories what happened.
- four level organization with supply flow from up to down is too much for AI to handle correctly (Supreme HQ receive all supplies -> Army HQs -> Corps HQs -> combat units)
- AI transfer all trucks from HQs to combat units and do not have enough transfer capacity to move supplies from Supreme HQ through chain of command
- AI change production to PP and do not switch it back...
I believe in theory #2 and my question is, how to prevent AI to strip HQs of transport capacity.
Another question is artillery, both horse-drawn and motorised, AI move it in first line and it can be easily destroyed. I'll read carefully Vic's tutorial about AI editing to fing way how to prevent it.
I have one "big" problem though.
German AI run out of supplies within 6-8 turns. There is surplus production of supplies so I have few theories what happened.
- four level organization with supply flow from up to down is too much for AI to handle correctly (Supreme HQ receive all supplies -> Army HQs -> Corps HQs -> combat units)
- AI transfer all trucks from HQs to combat units and do not have enough transfer capacity to move supplies from Supreme HQ through chain of command
- AI change production to PP and do not switch it back...
I believe in theory #2 and my question is, how to prevent AI to strip HQs of transport capacity.
Another question is artillery, both horse-drawn and motorised, AI move it in first line and it can be easily destroyed. I'll read carefully Vic's tutorial about AI editing to fing way how to prevent it.
RE: Fall Grün
153) AI mobilize % defenders (default=20)
This % of units of the AI in a defensive situation will be mobilized
154) AI mobilize % attacker (default=50)
Same as 153 but then for the AI in an offensive situation.
maybe those two rulevars can help with trucks transfered to infantry regiments ?
This % of units of the AI in a defensive situation will be mobilized
154) AI mobilize % attacker (default=50)
Same as 153 but then for the AI in an offensive situation.
maybe those two rulevars can help with trucks transfered to infantry regiments ?
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RE: Fall Grün
ORIGINAL: Arkady
I have one "big" problem though.
German AI run out of supplies within 6-8 turns. There is surplus production of supplies so I have few theories what happened.
- four level organization with supply flow from up to down is too much for AI to handle correctly (Supreme HQ receive all supplies -> Army HQs -> Corps HQs -> combat units)
Are you running 1.02b (to be release as 1.02 Official later today)? I believe that one fixed a four level HQ issue.
Erik Rutins
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