Jack vs A6M3/A6M5

[U2]

I need some advice from someone with experience...

It's late July 1943 and I will soon start producing A6M5s for my carrier groups. My question is how good the Jack is vs the A6M3/5 models. There are plenty of non-carrier squadrons out there to upgrade. So far I have not produced many Jacks and I have about 150 in service and 120 in the AC pool.

So all out A6M5 or increase my production of 50 Jacks/month so it's more balanced?

Oh and is the A6M5c anything to have?

[dpstafford]

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[U2]

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[dpstafford]

ORIGINAL: U2
Check out Logh, Death to my hometown

Hmmm. Amazon has that CD as import only. And no sample tracks.

[pauk]

Jack is Corsair compared to A6M5! Sure, it can not stop Thunderbolts but it is fine ac, much better than Zero family..

As for Zeke FB, keep them... i think they are good against unescorted heavy bombers.

[jwilkerson]

U2 perhaps post this on the open forum not everyone looks in here.

I'm playing my first PDU On game (all others were PDU off) and PDU on is different universe as regards this question. In my current game I plan to convert about half of my land based navy fighters units to JACK .. but I'm doing this on "spec" .. just looking at the stats .. not based on EXP. But I think some guys like Irrelevant might be able to help based on EXP. They just might not look here asap.

[Bobthehatchit]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

U2 perhaps post this on the open forum not everyone looks in here.

I'm playing my first PDU On game (all others were PDU off) and PDU on is different universe as regards this question. In my current game I plan to convert about half of my land based navy fighters units to JACK .. but I'm doing this on "spec" .. just looking at the stats .. not based on EXP. But I think some guys like Irrelevant might be able to help based on EXP. They just might not look here asap.

Jacks are great bomber killers although they do "struggle" with the later gen allied fighters, Range is alot less that than the Zero Family. This makes them an excellent point defence fighter bit like the later mark spitfires.

Plus they look fantastic!

[niceguy2005]

My P-38s just had their first two encouters with Jacks, much different than the zero. I would rate well piloted Jacks to roughly equal well piloted P-38s.

[U2]

Excellent, thanks guys!

[tsimmonds]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

But I think some guys like Irrelevant might be able to help based on EXP.

Wish I could, but I'm embarassed to say I never have got that far. We keep starting over in PBEM, and I have no patience for the AI![:o][;)]

[Mike Solli]

I get the Jack in about 3 game weeks.  I'll let you guys know.

[ctangus]

12/43 - CHS 1.x - I'm the allies.

I hate those d@amn Jacks. Even F4U-1s (which are toned down a bit in CHS) have trouble with them under the wrong (or right) circumstances. While they're no match for Thuds, I'm keeping my P-38s (even the J model) away from them when I can. They've impressed me far more than either the A6M5 or even the George.

In mid-late '43 it's by far the best air superiority fighter that the Japanese have IMO.

[pauk]

Almost agree with Ctangus, except with comparision Jack/George. George has better survival chance than Jack - think that have something with manevour ratings...

[viberpol]

ORIGINAL: ctangus

They've impressed me far more than either the A6M5 or even the George.
In mid-late '43 it's by far the best air superiority fighter that the Japanese have IMO.

ORIGINAL: pauk


Almost agree with Ctangus, except with comparision Jack/George. George has better survival chance than Jack - think that have something with manevour ratings...

This is because in our game I have two models of Georges.
N1K1 is worse than J2M, but Chuck, wait a bit till I get N1K2...

[:D]

[MineSweeper]

This is because in our game I have two models of Georges.
N1K1 is worse than J2M, but Chuck, wait a bit till I get N1K2...

Wait until you get the Frank's - they are even more awesome (7 range to boot)[:)]

[ctangus]

ORIGINAL: viberpol

This is because in our game I have two models of Georges.
N1K1 is worse than J2M, but Chuck, wait a bit till I get N1K2...

[:D]

Two weeks until the F4U-1D... [:'(]

[RUPD3658]

I am using both (plus Georges) in August 44 and I am sorry to report that due to the inexperience of the pilots they are still getting shot down at a 3:1-4:1 rate vs high exp P-38s.

I just had a ton slaughtered against Russian fighters:

Day Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 31
J2M Jack x 40
P1Y Frances x 53
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 102
Ki-21 Sally x 35
Ki-49 Helen x 128

Allied aircraft
La-5FN x 127
Yak-3 x 28
Yak-9D x 107
P-63A x 141

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 31 destroyed
J2M Jack: 40 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 27 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 97 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 26 destroyed
Ki-49 Helen: 71 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
La-5FN: 27 destroyed, 45 damaged
Yak-3: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
Yak-9D: 14 destroyed, 14 damaged
P-63A: 41 destroyed, 35 damaged

and
Day Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 115
J2M Jack x 37
A6M5c Zeke x 25
A6M3a Zero x 23
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 51
Ki-21 Sally x 77
Ki-49 Helen x 41

Allied aircraft
La-5FN x 48
Yak-3 x 10
Yak-9D x 44
P-63A x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 74 destroyed
J2M Jack: 12 destroyed, 9 damaged
A6M5c Zeke: 13 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 16 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 48 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 15 destroyed, 46 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 9 destroyed, 19 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
La-5FN: 60 destroyed
Yak-3: 8 destroyed
Yak-9D: 38 destroyed
P-63A: 50 destroyed
Pe-2R: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 33

[MineSweeper]

Wow.....have the Russians been training for 4 years....[:D]
But Experince is everything with regard to even capable fighters @ ATA

[John 3rd]

I prefer the Jack A LOT!  They are good, solid fighters and do well against everything but the last of the Allied fighters. 
 
The A5 goes on CVs because I cannot cheat and put anything else there!  [:D] 
 
The George seems to be a pretty good fighter.  I am building more of them in my June 1944 campaign with Wolfpack.

[Miller]

Christ 1000 a/c lost in one day....stock a2a I presume[;)]