9 Aug:
China: He only has three divisions, two engineer regiments and a ton of arty at Wuchow. If he can drive 9 Corps out of a wooded fortified hex with this small force then I will be shocked.
There is a single unit blocking the road from Changsa and I suppose that is his 4th division. If that's all he has in the area then he had better pull out fast or my 10 Corps from Changsa will steamrole him and he will have 3 surrounded Japanese divisions.
Intell: I've seen multiple carriers in port at Tokyo for two turns running. 5 CV's this turn. Clearly he has no intention of further offensive action at this point. I think he has another group of carriers at Tulagi. I would assume it's function is too interfere with anything that I might try.
Offensive: My TF's are moving into attack positions. They will reach their jump off point next turn and attack the turn after that. I have sub minelayer's that will literally surround the island of Tulagi with mines in hope of slowing any responce by his carriers. I'm not sure if he is even aware that I know they are there so I have been careful to avoid alerting him by sending recon to that site. (the downside is that I'm not absolutly sure that they are still there) I also have about 20 other subs moving into likely response routes of his carriers.
14 BB's, 5 carriers. 4 dozen CA/DD's, 1 Division and 2 BDE's will be involved. Hopefully security has been tight and he has no idea what's coming.
Numea: The 37th Division lands along with a second Corps HQ. This and the intell regarding his carriers allows me to conclude that Numea is completely safe.
Moses(AL)Jwilkerson(IJ)
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11 August
11 August:
Alaska: I actually hit a carrier!!!!!!! A couple CV's tangle with my LBA around Atka and get bit. My SBD attacked in the AM and failed to score a hit. The 6 survivors attacked again in the PM. 1 500 lb bomb hit the CVE Unyo !!! It's not much but I'll take it. In return the next day he sank two DD's that were escorting my resupply convoy. I guessing he will retreat this turn. But if not I have 64 B-25's set for naval attack. But he will surely leave as he has can't hang about too long with my carriers unaccounted for.
Burma: 37 zero's go down, 28 in air-to-air. (a few of these did occur in Alaska and over Port Moresby where some B17's attacked) My losses were about equal but I only lost 4 long range fighters which are the only thing that really matters to me now. My intell shows 57 fighters have transfered into Mandalay and Akyab. This is more then I've seen in a long time. He may be setting up for an ambush. I'm resting most of my aircraft and will recon this out. If I'm going to encounter 3 Tony squadrens I would rather it be on my terms.
Offensive: I had to delay my attack for a turn as things were not coming together correctly. My carriers got seperated from ther tankers and my subs need another day to get in position. Plus the Alaska missions got disrupted by his carriers and by the fact that my RCT unloaded from the AP's and I have to go back and get them. I haven't recieved any intell on the carriers that were at Tulagi for three turns(6 days). It shows 0 ships in port but the port symbol is bright red. I havn't wanted to send recon there as that would tip him off. But next turn I will send recon and my subs will lay mines everywhere, so if he's there I will know for sure.
China: He appears to be pulling out of Wuchow so its more of the same. Cat and mouse.
Alaska: I actually hit a carrier!!!!!!! A couple CV's tangle with my LBA around Atka and get bit. My SBD attacked in the AM and failed to score a hit. The 6 survivors attacked again in the PM. 1 500 lb bomb hit the CVE Unyo !!! It's not much but I'll take it. In return the next day he sank two DD's that were escorting my resupply convoy. I guessing he will retreat this turn. But if not I have 64 B-25's set for naval attack. But he will surely leave as he has can't hang about too long with my carriers unaccounted for.
Burma: 37 zero's go down, 28 in air-to-air. (a few of these did occur in Alaska and over Port Moresby where some B17's attacked) My losses were about equal but I only lost 4 long range fighters which are the only thing that really matters to me now. My intell shows 57 fighters have transfered into Mandalay and Akyab. This is more then I've seen in a long time. He may be setting up for an ambush. I'm resting most of my aircraft and will recon this out. If I'm going to encounter 3 Tony squadrens I would rather it be on my terms.
Offensive: I had to delay my attack for a turn as things were not coming together correctly. My carriers got seperated from ther tankers and my subs need another day to get in position. Plus the Alaska missions got disrupted by his carriers and by the fact that my RCT unloaded from the AP's and I have to go back and get them. I haven't recieved any intell on the carriers that were at Tulagi for three turns(6 days). It shows 0 ships in port but the port symbol is bright red. I havn't wanted to send recon there as that would tip him off. But next turn I will send recon and my subs will lay mines everywhere, so if he's there I will know for sure.
China: He appears to be pulling out of Wuchow so its more of the same. Cat and mouse.
13 August
13 August:
Alaska: His surface ships attack at Atka island and kill two of my destroyers. What a pain. I really wish I had sent my carriers there. I could charge in and kill those guys and the two CV's to boot. But who knew. My general strategy here does no involve wasting my carriers on a secondary theater. If he wants to occupy his carriers up here thats fine by me. I just need to be more careful.
Burma: I reconed the area and he has not brought any Tony's in. Just a lot more fighters. I guess he's decided to fight it out. Over 50 fighters at Akyab, Pagan and Mandalay, with lessor amounts at other bases. I don't have enough airpower yet to defeat him. I will concentrate on getting good kill ratio's. Bombers next turn will hit Akyab.
Offensive TF's: CV's are refueled and will move to attack positions this next turn. I have recon and subs at Tulagi tommorow and I'll see if his carriers are still there.
Alaska: His surface ships attack at Atka island and kill two of my destroyers. What a pain. I really wish I had sent my carriers there. I could charge in and kill those guys and the two CV's to boot. But who knew. My general strategy here does no involve wasting my carriers on a secondary theater. If he wants to occupy his carriers up here thats fine by me. I just need to be more careful.
Burma: I reconed the area and he has not brought any Tony's in. Just a lot more fighters. I guess he's decided to fight it out. Over 50 fighters at Akyab, Pagan and Mandalay, with lessor amounts at other bases. I don't have enough airpower yet to defeat him. I will concentrate on getting good kill ratio's. Bombers next turn will hit Akyab.
Offensive TF's: CV's are refueled and will move to attack positions this next turn. I have recon and subs at Tulagi tommorow and I'll see if his carriers are still there.
15 August
15 August:
China: Here's an interesting battle. 3 Japanese divisions move to Ichange where I have only one Chinese Corp dug in at level 3. My other Corps had moved south a few turns ago to drive out a couple small Japanese units.
Japanese Shock attack at Ichang
Attacking force 64747 troops, 761 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1346
Defending force 13069 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 365
Japanese max assault: 2786 - adjusted assault: 1253
Allied max defense: 386 - adjusted defense: 1393
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese ground losses:---------------------Allied ground losses
1336 casualties reported---------------------321 casualties reported
Guns lost 34-----------------------------------Guns lost 12
The japanese are totally shut down by a single Corps!!! Honestly I think he will take the town if he keeps trying. But at this stage our ground forces are fairly evenly matched. I believe that it will be difficult to economically hold Ichang as it is very vulnerable to being surrounded.
In general, Jwilkerson has been much more active in China lately. I've been able to retreat a couple small stacks which I find quite helpful in training my army.
Alaska: 5 CV's and a couple BB's are sighted in the area. I'm putting the whole area on lockdown. All shipsretreat towards Ankorage and we'll just weather the storm.
Offensive actions: My CV's go in this next turn. I planned on raiding either Wake or Kwajeline with Kwajeline being my first and most aggressive choice. I chickened out when the air balance numbers spicked last turn. I just have nightmares of 200 Betties flying at my carriers. Plus his other carrier force is not at Tarawa as I thought. Where are they?? So my CV's will hit Wake.
5 BB's are coming along. The carriers will reach a point 3 hexes away and launch strikes during the second day of this next turn. Then the next day Wake will be hit by 5 BB's and other ships in a mass bombardment. The CV's will stay around and hit the island as well.
I want to simulate an invasion and get his carriers running to the rescue. I have subs all over the area so maybe one will get lucky. But mainly I hope to disrupt his defensive framework so that my invasions of Baker Island and Nanomea Island south of Tarawa can be safely captured over the next week or two. 6 BB's are ready to hit Nanomea and will go in within the next week depending on enemy actions. I plan on taking this island but I will evacuate it if possible. After my carriers are done at Wake they will pull back towards Johnson Island, refuel and rearm, and then head for Baker Island. Then with all my CV's and 11 BB's I will crush and hold this location.
This will net me a few small Japanese units destroyed and secure the first base needed to begin driving across the Pacific.
China: Here's an interesting battle. 3 Japanese divisions move to Ichange where I have only one Chinese Corp dug in at level 3. My other Corps had moved south a few turns ago to drive out a couple small Japanese units.
Japanese Shock attack at Ichang
Attacking force 64747 troops, 761 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1346
Defending force 13069 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 365
Japanese max assault: 2786 - adjusted assault: 1253
Allied max defense: 386 - adjusted defense: 1393
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese ground losses:---------------------Allied ground losses
1336 casualties reported---------------------321 casualties reported
Guns lost 34-----------------------------------Guns lost 12
The japanese are totally shut down by a single Corps!!! Honestly I think he will take the town if he keeps trying. But at this stage our ground forces are fairly evenly matched. I believe that it will be difficult to economically hold Ichang as it is very vulnerable to being surrounded.
In general, Jwilkerson has been much more active in China lately. I've been able to retreat a couple small stacks which I find quite helpful in training my army.
Alaska: 5 CV's and a couple BB's are sighted in the area. I'm putting the whole area on lockdown. All shipsretreat towards Ankorage and we'll just weather the storm.
Offensive actions: My CV's go in this next turn. I planned on raiding either Wake or Kwajeline with Kwajeline being my first and most aggressive choice. I chickened out when the air balance numbers spicked last turn. I just have nightmares of 200 Betties flying at my carriers. Plus his other carrier force is not at Tarawa as I thought. Where are they?? So my CV's will hit Wake.
5 BB's are coming along. The carriers will reach a point 3 hexes away and launch strikes during the second day of this next turn. Then the next day Wake will be hit by 5 BB's and other ships in a mass bombardment. The CV's will stay around and hit the island as well.
I want to simulate an invasion and get his carriers running to the rescue. I have subs all over the area so maybe one will get lucky. But mainly I hope to disrupt his defensive framework so that my invasions of Baker Island and Nanomea Island south of Tarawa can be safely captured over the next week or two. 6 BB's are ready to hit Nanomea and will go in within the next week depending on enemy actions. I plan on taking this island but I will evacuate it if possible. After my carriers are done at Wake they will pull back towards Johnson Island, refuel and rearm, and then head for Baker Island. Then with all my CV's and 11 BB's I will crush and hold this location.
This will net me a few small Japanese units destroyed and secure the first base needed to begin driving across the Pacific.
17 August
17 August:
So glad I hit Wake. He had one Betty squadren there and my heart was beating even though I had 77 CAP meet them over my carriers. Most of them died except the couple that ran away. I can't imagine how I would have felt against 3 squadrens with a zero group,[X(] I guess I lack the neccessary courage for this game. BB's go in next turn and so Wake will be shut down.
Burma: My LB30's have gone in by themselves for two turns and not only kill zero's but have maintained a 99 morale. His zero's at Akyab are probably worn down a bit fighting my heavies. So next turn Akyab gets hit with everything. 40 P40B, 68 P40E, and about 250 bombers of various types.
So glad I hit Wake. He had one Betty squadren there and my heart was beating even though I had 77 CAP meet them over my carriers. Most of them died except the couple that ran away. I can't imagine how I would have felt against 3 squadrens with a zero group,[X(] I guess I lack the neccessary courage for this game. BB's go in next turn and so Wake will be shut down.
Burma: My LB30's have gone in by themselves for two turns and not only kill zero's but have maintained a 99 morale. His zero's at Akyab are probably worn down a bit fighting my heavies. So next turn Akyab gets hit with everything. 40 P40B, 68 P40E, and about 250 bombers of various types.
19 August
19 August:
My BB's hit Wake and all went well except that one DD and a CA hit mines. My ships did not have escorts bombarding but it didn't matter. The CA has minor damage but the DD has a slight chance of sinking. I have seen no indications of enemy reaction except that the CV's in Alaska have disappeared. My fleet is now moving toward Johnson Island for refueling although hopefully I've left the impression that the transports are hitting Wake. His airfield is shut down and I doubt he can see anything.
The raid toward Namonea begins moving and next turn my forces will be one hex off shore ready to go in. Some AP's from Canton Island will also surge toward Baker Island just to add to any Japanese confusion.
Burma: My air raid in Burma goes in and I count them as a success. 87 zero's and 14 Oscars go down half of them in air to air. The airfield is sut down and the port badly damaged. I lost 40 P40's and some lessor aircraft. For the day Japan losses 104 planes against 79 of mine. I'm out of P40B's unfortunatly and have pulled my remaining planes to Karachi where they will probably sit until I have enough P38's to switch one of them over.
China: His push toward Ichang finally succeeds and he takes the city. This city is of no value. His troops there are exposed to being surrounded and I will take advantage of this shortly.
My BB's hit Wake and all went well except that one DD and a CA hit mines. My ships did not have escorts bombarding but it didn't matter. The CA has minor damage but the DD has a slight chance of sinking. I have seen no indications of enemy reaction except that the CV's in Alaska have disappeared. My fleet is now moving toward Johnson Island for refueling although hopefully I've left the impression that the transports are hitting Wake. His airfield is shut down and I doubt he can see anything.
The raid toward Namonea begins moving and next turn my forces will be one hex off shore ready to go in. Some AP's from Canton Island will also surge toward Baker Island just to add to any Japanese confusion.
Burma: My air raid in Burma goes in and I count them as a success. 87 zero's and 14 Oscars go down half of them in air to air. The airfield is sut down and the port badly damaged. I lost 40 P40's and some lessor aircraft. For the day Japan losses 104 planes against 79 of mine. I'm out of P40B's unfortunatly and have pulled my remaining planes to Karachi where they will probably sit until I have enough P38's to switch one of them over.
China: His push toward Ichang finally succeeds and he takes the city. This city is of no value. His troops there are exposed to being surrounded and I will take advantage of this shortly.
21 August
21 August:
Burma: I've detected a large concentration of bombers at Mandalay along with about 93 fighters. I'm betting Jwilkerson is about to unveil his new fighters.[:(]
He has had all war to train his Nate squadrens in China and I expect they are all trained to 80+ experience. Now as I view my home island intell I see that he has over 200 Tony factories and nearly 100 Tojo factories. So all those Nate pilots will soon get new planes. This is going to really hurt for a while.
The problem the allied player has is that I only get 50 good long range fighters per month. (10 P40B and 40 P40E) All my other fighters are either short ranged or crap. In the meantime Japan is producing essentially an infinite number of good long range fighters. So until my p38's start arriving (Oct 42) I just have to hang on.
Eastern Pacific: My carriers and BB's will arrive at Johnson Island this turn. So far Japan has shown no reaction.
My troops land at Nanomea (south of Tarawa) supported by a 6 BB bombardment fleet. Japan has only an SNLF and a base force there and I have been bombing it with 10-12 B17E's per day for a month. They can't be dug in all that well so I expect my BB's to obliterate them.
My main goal is to land and get my AP's out of there quick just in case he has carriers hiding somewhere. They can travel a good distance in these two day turns so I could get easily ambushed if I'm not careful.
Burma: I've detected a large concentration of bombers at Mandalay along with about 93 fighters. I'm betting Jwilkerson is about to unveil his new fighters.[:(]
He has had all war to train his Nate squadrens in China and I expect they are all trained to 80+ experience. Now as I view my home island intell I see that he has over 200 Tony factories and nearly 100 Tojo factories. So all those Nate pilots will soon get new planes. This is going to really hurt for a while.
The problem the allied player has is that I only get 50 good long range fighters per month. (10 P40B and 40 P40E) All my other fighters are either short ranged or crap. In the meantime Japan is producing essentially an infinite number of good long range fighters. So until my p38's start arriving (Oct 42) I just have to hang on.
Eastern Pacific: My carriers and BB's will arrive at Johnson Island this turn. So far Japan has shown no reaction.
My troops land at Nanomea (south of Tarawa) supported by a 6 BB bombardment fleet. Japan has only an SNLF and a base force there and I have been bombing it with 10-12 B17E's per day for a month. They can't be dug in all that well so I expect my BB's to obliterate them.
My main goal is to land and get my AP's out of there quick just in case he has carriers hiding somewhere. They can travel a good distance in these two day turns so I could get easily ambushed if I'm not careful.
23 August
23 August
Holy Crap!!!! The worst turn of the war.
Carriers: They're all gone. Ambushed at Johnson Island. 8 Japanese CV's come out of nowhere. In two day turns they can cover a lot of distance. My planes attack but only score 4 hits on his carriers. 3 1000lb bombs against the Agagi but I don't even get a report of heavy damage. I suspect it's going to be OK. I on the other hand lose the whole force. Enterprise is still floating but if it gets back to PH it will be a miracle. To make matter worse his subs attack and put two fish into one of my BB's. Everything is running to PH next turn and we'll see if anything survives.
Namonea Island: Japan's troops are in better shape here then I thought and my initial attack fails to drive them out. Wonderful. I'll reload my 6 BB's and send them on another run. My troops will bombard for a couple days and try and regroup for a full attack after the BB's hit again. Why not? At least for a couple days I know where his carriers are.
Burma: The Tonies attack. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE ALLIES ARE EVER SUPPOSED TO WIN THIS GAME!!!!!!!! My fighters drop like flies and he pounds my airfields. Since he seems to be producing 200+ of these a month I don't know what to do really.
I must be the worst WITP player in the world.
China: Well there's always China where I usually know what I'm doing. I shock attack across the river from Changsa toward Ichang and rout one of his divisions. From the Homan side of Ichange, 6 Corps move into the hex with 2 Japanese tank units and I will shock attack next turn. His troops in Ichang actually send a unit probing north toward Chungking. Do they realize that they are in real danger of being surrounded??
Maybe he doesn't care as I guess he can supply them by air for a long time. But I like fighting in the open plains around Ichang.
Holy Crap!!!! The worst turn of the war.
Carriers: They're all gone. Ambushed at Johnson Island. 8 Japanese CV's come out of nowhere. In two day turns they can cover a lot of distance. My planes attack but only score 4 hits on his carriers. 3 1000lb bombs against the Agagi but I don't even get a report of heavy damage. I suspect it's going to be OK. I on the other hand lose the whole force. Enterprise is still floating but if it gets back to PH it will be a miracle. To make matter worse his subs attack and put two fish into one of my BB's. Everything is running to PH next turn and we'll see if anything survives.
Namonea Island: Japan's troops are in better shape here then I thought and my initial attack fails to drive them out. Wonderful. I'll reload my 6 BB's and send them on another run. My troops will bombard for a couple days and try and regroup for a full attack after the BB's hit again. Why not? At least for a couple days I know where his carriers are.
Burma: The Tonies attack. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE ALLIES ARE EVER SUPPOSED TO WIN THIS GAME!!!!!!!! My fighters drop like flies and he pounds my airfields. Since he seems to be producing 200+ of these a month I don't know what to do really.
I must be the worst WITP player in the world.
China: Well there's always China where I usually know what I'm doing. I shock attack across the river from Changsa toward Ichang and rout one of his divisions. From the Homan side of Ichange, 6 Corps move into the hex with 2 Japanese tank units and I will shock attack next turn. His troops in Ichang actually send a unit probing north toward Chungking. Do they realize that they are in real danger of being surrounded??
Maybe he doesn't care as I guess he can supply them by air for a long time. But I like fighting in the open plains around Ichang.
RE: 23 August
Hello...
Well, when I added PDU, I told players that it was not recommened for PBEM. If I had it to do over, I would remove the feature. No attempt to adjust play balance was made. I was playing the game and noticed I had a bunch of P-36 fighters in the pool and was very short on P-40 and P-39. I thought it would be nice if I could downgrade some groups to use the older planes until such time as the better planes were a available in quantity. I should have realized that players would do what they were allowed.
Sorry...
Michael Wood
Well, when I added PDU, I told players that it was not recommened for PBEM. If I had it to do over, I would remove the feature. No attempt to adjust play balance was made. I was playing the game and noticed I had a bunch of P-36 fighters in the pool and was very short on P-40 and P-39. I thought it would be nice if I could downgrade some groups to use the older planes until such time as the better planes were a available in quantity. I should have realized that players would do what they were allowed.
Sorry...
Michael Wood
ORIGINAL: moses
[/b] ...The Tonies attack. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE ALLIES ARE EVER SUPPOSED TO WIN THIS GAME!!!!!!!! My fighters drop like flies and he pounds my airfields. Since he seems to be producing 200+ of these a month
RE: 23 August
nothing to be sorry about IMO. The people were warned....they decided they wanted PDU's. You take the good with the bad.
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RE: 23 August
There are some AARs that do better than historical and have an advantage of PDU on (as Japanese). So it might be thought that it only favours the Japanese side. Seems noone talks about what advantages it gives also to the Allied if you are only facing P38, Corsairs, Mustangs, Thunderbolts or late Spits instead of P40, P39 or Hurricanes... I don´t start to talk about the 4Es...
I have a late war PBEM as Japanese and the PDU favoured me in what I was doing. Though I also have a PBEM as Allied in 4/43 and it favours me as much if not even more when I look at all those squadrons I will switch to another plane (and already have switched).
Without PDU I bet 80-90% of the PBEMs the Japanese don´t do nearly as "good" as it was done in real life... Just look at PzB´s AAR! He took China (because a wrong modelled situation there), he took India (because of a doubtfull situation also and because of some mistakes Wobbly has made). What do you think the situation would look like if he would not have conquered those places and he has PDU OFF!! PzB has done a great job, no question, but it would be completely different without those conquers. IMO those conquers are worth a year of delaying the Allied! He would now fight for the home islands in mid 44 not mid 45 without those conquers.
With the so many wrongs (that are probably accepted by the majority on the forum) PDU on is a fine excuse for Allied players (and Japanese too if they only meet premium Allied planes) if they do worse than they think they should do. And this is not pointed at you Moses. I think you are not doing bad at all. And while the loss of all your CVs is hurting, it has nothing to do with PDU on or off... And the only thing PDU on does is hindering you for not even half a year of bombing Burma with hundreds of planes, because there are now Tonies and Tojos. The "wrong" is IMO that you shouldn´t be able to do that anyway, though the game lets you do it at will from early 42 on... In late 42 you get enough P38 that you can do 8th AF attack round the clock in Burma, with PDU on even far more than with PDU off!
If you play stock with PDU off and you see losing your high exp Oscars in droves in mid 42 against P40s then you might wonder if it is good modelled... PDU off means a non existent IJA fighter force for the whole game. With PDU on the Allied player wonders in 43 why he doesn´t achieve 40:1 kill rates as he is used to when using P38 against Oscars. Now he only achieves kill rates of 10:1 or even more (just look what happens when PzB sends high exp Frank, Jack, Tony against a Corsair, Mustang...). Yes he still killed a lot of USN pilots but only at the loss of thousands (or even tens of thousands) of planes, not to forget that Andy didn´t get any P51B because it´s a flaw in the database...
I have a late war PBEM as Japanese and the PDU favoured me in what I was doing. Though I also have a PBEM as Allied in 4/43 and it favours me as much if not even more when I look at all those squadrons I will switch to another plane (and already have switched).
Without PDU I bet 80-90% of the PBEMs the Japanese don´t do nearly as "good" as it was done in real life... Just look at PzB´s AAR! He took China (because a wrong modelled situation there), he took India (because of a doubtfull situation also and because of some mistakes Wobbly has made). What do you think the situation would look like if he would not have conquered those places and he has PDU OFF!! PzB has done a great job, no question, but it would be completely different without those conquers. IMO those conquers are worth a year of delaying the Allied! He would now fight for the home islands in mid 44 not mid 45 without those conquers.
With the so many wrongs (that are probably accepted by the majority on the forum) PDU on is a fine excuse for Allied players (and Japanese too if they only meet premium Allied planes) if they do worse than they think they should do. And this is not pointed at you Moses. I think you are not doing bad at all. And while the loss of all your CVs is hurting, it has nothing to do with PDU on or off... And the only thing PDU on does is hindering you for not even half a year of bombing Burma with hundreds of planes, because there are now Tonies and Tojos. The "wrong" is IMO that you shouldn´t be able to do that anyway, though the game lets you do it at will from early 42 on... In late 42 you get enough P38 that you can do 8th AF attack round the clock in Burma, with PDU on even far more than with PDU off!
If you play stock with PDU off and you see losing your high exp Oscars in droves in mid 42 against P40s then you might wonder if it is good modelled... PDU off means a non existent IJA fighter force for the whole game. With PDU on the Allied player wonders in 43 why he doesn´t achieve 40:1 kill rates as he is used to when using P38 against Oscars. Now he only achieves kill rates of 10:1 or even more (just look what happens when PzB sends high exp Frank, Jack, Tony against a Corsair, Mustang...). Yes he still killed a lot of USN pilots but only at the loss of thousands (or even tens of thousands) of planes, not to forget that Andy didn´t get any P51B because it´s a flaw in the database...
RE: 23 August
Well I didn't want to start a scrap over PDU. Realize I just got creamed and so am trying to recover my mental balance.
But I still don't believe PDU's can be the issue. If a player has 400 Tony's in the pool he should logically be able to upgrade his squadrens to the better aircraft. What really surprises me is how much Jwilkerson has been able to upgrade his production.
But again I'm still going through my grief process after losing 5 carriers and seeing my Burma airforce ripped apart.
I'll recover and be back in the fight shortly.[:'(]
But I still don't believe PDU's can be the issue. If a player has 400 Tony's in the pool he should logically be able to upgrade his squadrens to the better aircraft. What really surprises me is how much Jwilkerson has been able to upgrade his production.
But again I'm still going through my grief process after losing 5 carriers and seeing my Burma airforce ripped apart.
I'll recover and be back in the fight shortly.[:'(]
RE: 23 August
FWIW, historically, while the first production model Ki-61 was manufactured 8/42, the Ki-61 wasn't delivered to the IJAAF until 2/43, wasn't received by combat units until 4/43 (68th & 78th Hiko Sentai's), and didn't enter combat until 5/43 (IIRC). This was the MG-only Ki-61-Ia, mind, not the cannon-armed Ki-61-I KAIc as portraited in stock - that version wasn't mass produced till 1/44. Total production of Ki-61-Ia from 8/42 - 9/43 totalled 388 A/C.
By way of comparison, the first F4U-1 rolled out of the factory 6/42, was received by units 9/42 (VMF-124), and entered combat 2/43. [:'(]
By way of comparison, the first F4U-1 rolled out of the factory 6/42, was received by units 9/42 (VMF-124), and entered combat 2/43. [:'(]
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RE: 23 August
I agree the entire production sequence seems way too fast. While you would expect any combatant to try and get the best planes to the front, this would not be an instant process. There is a lot of training and preparation that goes into any major equipment swap both for the pilots and probably more importantly the ground crews.
Perhaps swapping aircraft should cause a 20 point or so experience drop to reflect time needed for transition.
Perhaps swapping aircraft should cause a 20 point or so experience drop to reflect time needed for transition.
25 August
25 August:
His carriers retreat east while my CV Enterprise and BC Repulse sink.
Namonea Island: My NZ BDE looks to be wearing down the Japanese units. If they have time I think they may be able to win. I'm sending lots of ships for one last bombardment run to try and take the base before his carriers arrive and shut everything down.
China: I shock attack and drive his two armor units in retreat. Only one hex seperates Ichang from being surrounded. I have 10 Corps resting in reserve at Chungking. If I do manage to surround this force I will release these to reduce the city. Should be another great training exercise.
Burma: I try one last bombing at Myntanka which kills a couple zeros but takes unacceptable losses. I have now pulled all my air units back beyond Tony range and will just try to conserve my fighter power while killing Tony pilots with heavy bombers. I cannot accomplish anything until Oct when my P38's start arriving.
His carriers retreat east while my CV Enterprise and BC Repulse sink.
Namonea Island: My NZ BDE looks to be wearing down the Japanese units. If they have time I think they may be able to win. I'm sending lots of ships for one last bombardment run to try and take the base before his carriers arrive and shut everything down.
China: I shock attack and drive his two armor units in retreat. Only one hex seperates Ichang from being surrounded. I have 10 Corps resting in reserve at Chungking. If I do manage to surround this force I will release these to reduce the city. Should be another great training exercise.
Burma: I try one last bombing at Myntanka which kills a couple zeros but takes unacceptable losses. I have now pulled all my air units back beyond Tony range and will just try to conserve my fighter power while killing Tony pilots with heavy bombers. I cannot accomplish anything until Oct when my P38's start arriving.
27 August
27 August:
Nanomea Island: My troops are slowly winning. Japanese strength is droping while mine is growing due to my recovering fatigue and disruption. If I had a week it would be no problem. But this whole operation no longer is viable and is continuing on momentum alone.
My 6 BB's and 2 other bombardment forces will hit tomorrow and then beat feet. His carriers may well arrive in 2 days if he goes at max speed. My troops will shock attack and I think have a decent chance of taking the base. If they fail I will probably have to try and evacuate. I don't htink that they can prevail once 70 Vals start hitting them each turn.
Nanomea Island: My troops are slowly winning. Japanese strength is droping while mine is growing due to my recovering fatigue and disruption. If I had a week it would be no problem. But this whole operation no longer is viable and is continuing on momentum alone.
My 6 BB's and 2 other bombardment forces will hit tomorrow and then beat feet. His carriers may well arrive in 2 days if he goes at max speed. My troops will shock attack and I think have a decent chance of taking the base. If they fail I will probably have to try and evacuate. I don't htink that they can prevail once 70 Vals start hitting them each turn.
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RE: 23 August
ORIGINAL: timtom
By way of comparison, the first F4U-1 rolled out of the factory 6/42, was received by units 9/42 (VMF-124), and entered combat 2/43. [:'(]
No to go too far off topic . . . the f6f was operational by 2/43 (Essex) and 120+ or so produced/month by 4/43. Was this for play balance purposes or just missed?
RE: 23 August
have yet to ever see a production model that couldn't be exploited. hate them. Even old USAAF could be tweaked so that only FW-190's, then later Jets were the norm in a quick period of time.
RE: 23 August
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
have yet to ever see a production model that couldn't be exploited. hate them. Even old USAAF could be tweaked so that only FW-190's, then later Jets were the norm in a quick period of time.
God, I loved the first USAAF. I bought it when I was on leave from Germany. I had to wait almost 30 days before I could actually play it. But in those days all the combat formula were layed out in detail on the back of the laminated map. So I could at least plan and statagise.
Hey could you do that for WITP?????
RE: 23 August
ORIGINAL: moses
God, I loved the first USAAF. I bought it when I was on leave from Germany. I had to wait almost 30 days before I could actually play it. But in those days all the combat formula were layed out in detail on the back of the laminated map. So I could at least plan and statagise.
Hey could you do that for WITP?????
pfff [;)] gamer.
(Yes... i loved it too....actually got through one...(and only one) full campaign as Allies....took 3/4 of a year playing almost every day. longest single campaign i've ever done to this day.)