Results of Atomic bomb attack in my game.

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Results of Atomic bomb attack in my game.

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The sneaky penguin unleashed his first atomic bomb on the mainland, gamedate is 24/7/45......the result:

Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 76 NM, estimated altitude 37,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 23



Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



ATOMIC BOMB hits 1


[&:] No damage whatsoever, not even a single point of industry lost.

Is this a glitch or bug of somekind? Or did the bad weather combined with CAP spoil the aim (by 100 miles or so)[&:]
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ORIGINAL: Miller

The sneaky penguin unleashed his first atomic bomb on the mainland, gamedate is 24/7/45......the result:

Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 76 NM, estimated altitude 37,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 23



Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



ATOMIC BOMB hits 1


[&:] No damage whatsoever, not even a single point of industry lost.

Is this a glitch or bug of somekind? Or did the bad weather combined with CAP spoil the aim (by 100 miles or so)[&:]

Pilot: Wow...didn't they tell us there would be a blinding flash and a huge mushroom cloud?
Co-Pilot: Yeah...weird. Maybe it's some new fangled nuc'lar bomb they didn't want to brief us on.
Pilot: Wait just a cotton pickin' minute...pilot to bombadier.
Bombadier: Erm, yeah skipper?
Pilot: You DID remember to arm that thing before release, right?
Bombadier: You're breaking (garble, garble). Didn't copy (garble, garble) last.
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ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart
ORIGINAL: Miller

The sneaky penguin unleashed his first atomic bomb on the mainland, gamedate is 24/7/45......the result:

Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 76 NM, estimated altitude 37,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 23



Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



ATOMIC BOMB hits 1


[&:] No damage whatsoever, not even a single point of industry lost.

Is this a glitch or bug of somekind? Or did the bad weather combined with CAP spoil the aim (by 100 miles or so)[&:]

Pilot: Wow...didn't they tell us there would be a blinding flash and a huge mushroom cloud?
Co-Pilot: Yeah...weird. Maybe it's some new fangled nuc'lar bomb they didn't want to brief us on.
Pilot: Wait just a cotton pickin' minute...pilot to bombadier.
Bombadier: Erm, yeah skipper?
Pilot: You DID remember to arm that thing before release, right?
Bombadier: You're breaking (garble, garble). Didn't copy (garble, garble) last.

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ORIGINAL: Miller

The sneaky penguin unleashed his first atomic bomb on the mainland, gamedate is 24/7/45......the result:

Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 76 NM, estimated altitude 37,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 23



Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



ATOMIC BOMB hits 1


[&:] No damage whatsoever, not even a single point of industry lost.

Is this a glitch or bug of somekind? Or did the bad weather combined with CAP spoil the aim (by 100 miles or so)[&:]

Have you reconned? I seem to recall that you don't get told results from A-bombs. You have to go look. But it's been over a year since I used one.
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You missed. [:D]
The weather, and the aircraft's release altitude, may have been a factor.
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Ummm.... it sounds like Miller was the recipient of an atomic bomb attack by Faber so he should know the results without recon, shouldn't he?
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ORIGINAL: Miller

The sneaky penguin unleashed his first atomic bomb on the mainland, gamedate is 24/7/45......the result:

Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 76 NM, estimated altitude 37,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 23



Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



ATOMIC BOMB hits 1


[&:] No damage whatsoever, not even a single point of industry lost.

Is this a glitch or bug of somekind? Or did the bad weather combined with CAP spoil the aim (by 100 miles or so)[&:]


I'm guessing the GAO is really going to be pissed .......
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You know, I'll really laugh my JFB arse off if it moves the victory scale down one too. Get him to try it two more times and see what happens. [:)]
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Ummm.... it sounds like Miller was the recipient of an atomic bomb attack by Faber so he should know the results without recon, shouldn't he?

Re-reading it looks like you're right. I didn't realize who the penguin was. There are several around here. [:)]
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Having been hit by numerous A-bomb hits, I don't believe I've ever seen details of the damage in the report. However, if you go to the base, you'll see damage. If you use Tracker, you'll also see a large shift in victory points. I think I've typically lost around 10K points per A-bomb, although a few times it's been less.
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Don't expect too much in damage. I've dropped 4 & all results have been anemic as far as damage as well as the vp cost outweighed the gains. Yes there's negative vp costs associated w/ using them that will balance out any gains from damage caused. I've seen the vp costs descibed as being the political costs in using them similar to if the war goes past 8/45. IMO, I'd say the game is better off w/o it as the damage caused in a raid doesn't match what it historically did not to mention the vp costs outweigh the vp gains.
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Ummm.... it sounds like Miller was the recipient of an atomic bomb attack by Faber so he should know the results without recon, shouldn't he?

Re-reading it looks like you're right. I didn't realize who the penguin was. There are several around here. [:)]


True... I suppose that it could be another penguin. On this forum whenever I hear of somebody being called "penguin" I think of Fabertong, just as whenever I hear of somebody being called "banana boy" I think of Luskan...

Speaking of old hands... where's Saueracker, anyway?
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Yes it Fabertong I'm playing. Just done the next turn and definately no effect whatsoever on industry with regards to damage. However I have noticed he seems to have gained almost 4000 strategic points.
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


Speaking of old hands... where's Saueracker, anyway?

Ron responded to my Opponent's wanted thread for a CG PBEM a few months ago. He indicated that he was back in Canadia and looking to re-engage. Haven't seen him post elsewhere since his reply however.
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I've always wondered why using one should result in a victory point loss.
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ORIGINAL: Miller

The sneaky penguin unleashed his first atomic bomb on the mainland, gamedate is 24/7/45......the result:

Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 76 NM, estimated altitude 37,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 23



Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



ATOMIC BOMB hits 1


[&:] No damage whatsoever, not even a single point of industry lost.

Is this a glitch or bug of somekind? Or did the bad weather combined with CAP spoil the aim (by 100 miles or so)[&:]


Obviousely weather, DL, altitude, and enemy CAP. Did you not learn anything??


Just kidding.

AFAIK atomic bombs are not modelled correctly.

In general they are underpowered even if the dice rolls favor you. Also, even if I made a joke about it, an atomic bomb attack is governed by the same attributes as
any other weapon ingame.

This obviousely could mean that it underlies similar criteria for effect. If DL is low, altitude is high, weather is bad, and crew fatigue high due to A2A, this is bound to
minimize the effects of an atomic bomb attack.

Not realistic, but this is how I think the game treats it. I wonder if Michael could do somehting about it, but I guess this is pretty difficult. An option would be to max out
all potentially impacting values for this single mission type, so the game treats a bombing run as if DL was @ max, weather clear, and alt some default value, even
if the true values diverge.
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Maybe the bomb was dud?
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Is there a dud rate for A-bombs in the editor?
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Device 213 in the editor. Dud rate = 0
Effect is 32000. Should have done something...
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ORIGINAL: LoBaron
Not realistic, but this is how I think the game treats it. I wonder if Michael could do somehting about it, but I guess this is pretty difficult. An option would be to max out
all potentially impacting values for this single mission type, so the game treats a bombing run as if DL was @ max, weather clear, and alt some default value, even
if the true values diverge.

While I agree that the impact / damage wrought by the A-bomb should be catastrophic to those units in a given hex, I disagree about maximum DL, assumption of clear weather, etc. These factors-missing the aim point by several kilometers-mitigated the effects of the plutonium bomb on Nagasaki.

The Nagasaki bomb should have been even more damaging than Hiroshima (higher nominal yield, effects of hills to channel blast more effectively, different bomb type). Its efficacy was lessened due to these targetting and overcast cloud issues. Chief among them-missing the drop zone substantially.

As the saying goes, 'close' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades (and A-bombs). But there's still something to be said for optimal targetting and its effects.

I've always wondered how the end of the war would have been different had Indianapolis been sunk with the 'gadgets' onboard en route to the war zone. I've also wondered how the war would have been different had Enola Gay or Bock's Car suffered a mechanical failure and had to ditch or faced fighter resistance near the target.

Would we have waited another few months to get another couple bombs? Would the Soviet intervention still have prompted the Japanese surrender? With the availability of Okinawa as a major base, would we have nuked Tokyo or Osaka instead?
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