Minesweeping TF's

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Minesweeping TF's

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As a JFB what are good ships for minesweeping operations. Say I wanted to clear Hong Kong Harbor.
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Well, anything that says "minesweeper" on the box is probably a good bet.
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You only have the choice of AMc or DMS at the beginning (if I remember correctly). AMc are slow, have a short range and only clear mines in the hex they are in. The DMS however will also attempt to clear mines in an adjacent hex.... I found this out the hard way by parking them next to Batavia just before I assaulted it, they walzed in and got blown away by the CD guns.....not fun.

I think you can convert some xAKLs as well but that takes time.
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Any ship will work...once.  [:D]
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It seems that ANY ship with Depth Charges can destroy mines, but you should use dedicated ships, probably AM, but for Hong Kong AMc should be able to reach it.
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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Any ship will work...once.  [:D]

Battleships might work more than once... [;)]
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Thanks guys I think I might stay away from the any ship ideas though [;)][;)]
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Terminus had the right idea. The only ships that can sweep mines are .. minesweepers.
AM - minesweeper
DMS - destroyer minesweeper
YMS - district minesweeper
AMc - coastal minesweeper
YMS and AMc will sweep their own hex, only. AM and DMS will sweep surrounding hexes. YMS and AMc are used by the AI to form local MS TFs to clean up their local port, if they are available in the port ship list. They can be used by a human player, but AM or DMS are more efficient.

Depth charges have absolutely nothing to do with mines. You would be well advised to ignore that.
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The manual says that
 
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DMS
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YMS
 
Can all mine sweep.
 
YMS
YP
HDML
AMc
 
Can all local mine sweep.
 
Or have this been changed.
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Well DD's can definitely sweep mines, and I'm pretty sure they'll do it even when not in minesweeping taskforces. I imagine it's just a matter of how well they do it compared to dedicated minesweeping ships, or perhaps how likely they might be to hit mines while doing the sweeping.

I'd definately want to use DMS or AM's for minesweeping as my first choice, but if they weren't available I wouldn't hesitate to use destroyers.
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That's not what it says. It says they can be put into minesweeping task forces.

If you put a destroyer in a carrier task force, it doesn't gain the ability to launch air strikes either.
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An easy way to see for allies. First turn have the DD's in manilla sortie out to sweep the mines the japanese place at bataan. They sweep mines just fine though I can't remember if I tested them as a minesweeping TF or just as a surface combat TF. I do remember that it wasn't unlikely for a destroyer to hit a mine while sweeping.
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That's not what it says. It says they can be put into minesweeping task forces.

If you put a destroyer in a carrier task force, it doesn't gain the ability to launch air strikes either.

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and there I was using my AM's as Armed Merchantmen for convoy escorts, never knew they could sweep mines ! I still learn things every week from this forum [&o] [&o]
sorry for the spelling . English is my main language , I just can't type . and i'm too lazy to edit :)
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Yep. Is true. Even checked the latest source for the latest beta. Don't know why people think 'other' ship types can sweep mines. Maybe misinterpretation, maybe whatever. But the ONLY types that can sweep mines are:
AM - minesweeper
DMS - destroyer minesweeper
YMS - district minesweeper
AMc - coastal minesweeper
That's it. That's what the code looks for. And that's ONLY what the code looks for. i.e., other types need not apply. i.e., nothing else will do. i.e., that's it and there ain't no more. As Terminus notes, other types can be put into a minesweeping TF, but they are there to protect the minesweepers from those nasty SAGs, subs, CD guns, and such. But they DON'T sweep. The ONLY ships the game code recognizes as able to sweep mines are AM, DMS, YMS, AMc.

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Don't know why people think 'other' ship types can sweep mines.

There must be some ad hoc type type code that's in there (and that seems appropriate too), because a couple of turns ago in my PBM with Treespider a PC escorting a bunch of xAKs swept a mine in a newly located mine field. Even better, nothing got hit by mines! Non-mine sweeping types sweep mines in the game is really rare from what I've seen. We're using the latest Beta, BTW.
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I have seen the message "DD Thisandthat destroys 1 mine" too. I always thought it was related to ships ability to destroy spotted floating mines (also known as drifting contact mines as opposed to moored ones) by smaller guns (I think 20mm was preferred historically).
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There must be some ad hoc type type code that's in there (and that seems appropriate too), because a couple of turns ago in my PBM with Treespider a PC escorting a bunch of xAKs swept a mine in a newly located mine field. Even better, nothing got hit by mines! Non-mine sweeping types sweep mines in the game is really rare from what I've seen. We're using the latest Beta, BTW.
There's no AEstereggs in this part of the code. It is what it is. Your PC didn't sweep any mines. May have found some, but didn't sweep them. Couldn't have because it's not a minesweeper. Density of the minefield matters. Thin one, you you'll likely not get hit. Minefields degrade over time. So if you don't get hit and and there's fewer mines, it's likely degradation. There's lots of reasons why you may see what you see, but the defininive, dispositive, response is ONLY the 4 class types mentioned above can sweep mines.

That's about as succint as I can make it. Code don't care about opinions, it does what it is told to do. And it is told to ONLY consider AM, DMS, YMS, AMc as minesweepers. Sorry.

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I reported an observation. Period.
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I went back and found the combat report:
TF 393 encounters mine field at Umnak Island (169,51)

Allied Ships
PC Cyane



1 mine cleared
That was a cargo TF.

Here is one from a few turns earlier for a transport TF (where a ship was actually hit):
TF 120 encounters mine field at Kodiak (181,42)

Allied Ships
APD Lawrence, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD King



4 mines cleared

So whatever it is, there it is.
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