Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
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Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
I have the demo of both games, and both are good. Now which one to buy? Sure I could buy both (and maybe I will eventually). But why should I buy this one first? [&:]
OK, one reason is the hateful Battlefront copy protection system apparently designed to offend only legitimate users. But aside from that...
Henri
OK, one reason is the hateful Battlefront copy protection system apparently designed to offend only legitimate users. But aside from that...
Henri
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
$44 with download and a printed manual, $35 for download only and serial number DRM. nuff said?
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
More variety in weapons, terrain, weather and time period. I have thought about CBN and have the demo but haven't installed it yet, the CBN demo came out in the morning and this complete game came out in the afternoon. CBN is only a 3 month time period and this covers from '41 - '45 so you have all the different year models of the weapons. The AI is also really good. Lots of other stuff that I haven't even had the time to look at or play with yet.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
Let's see...where to start?
Depends on what you're basic interests are.
If you want more than just a few vehicle models covering the summer months in a restricted area, go with PCO.
You want a game that will play on an older machine, go with PCO.
You want the entire inventory of vehicles from 1941 through 1945, go with PCO.
You want platoon oriented combat, go with PCO.
You want WeGo that's fine tuned for multiple gaming styles, go with PCO.
You want variable turn speeds and sequencing ability, go with PCO.
You want platoon based unit orders, go with PCO.
You want a map maker that used Google Earth satellite imagery to create maps, go with PCO.
You want support from a development team that asks for, and implements, your ideas about improvements for the game, go with PCO.
You want the ability to mod any part of the game that moves, has sound or has graphics representation, go with PCO.
You want expansions that are coming between now and the next installment in the series, go with PCO.
You want an extremely detailed armored combat model with supporting combat models for artillery, infantry and close air support, go with PCO.
You want more content for your money, go with PCO.
You want anything else, go with CMBN.
Good Hunting.
MR
Depends on what you're basic interests are.
If you want more than just a few vehicle models covering the summer months in a restricted area, go with PCO.
You want a game that will play on an older machine, go with PCO.
You want the entire inventory of vehicles from 1941 through 1945, go with PCO.
You want platoon oriented combat, go with PCO.
You want WeGo that's fine tuned for multiple gaming styles, go with PCO.
You want variable turn speeds and sequencing ability, go with PCO.
You want platoon based unit orders, go with PCO.
You want a map maker that used Google Earth satellite imagery to create maps, go with PCO.
You want support from a development team that asks for, and implements, your ideas about improvements for the game, go with PCO.
You want the ability to mod any part of the game that moves, has sound or has graphics representation, go with PCO.
You want expansions that are coming between now and the next installment in the series, go with PCO.
You want an extremely detailed armored combat model with supporting combat models for artillery, infantry and close air support, go with PCO.
You want more content for your money, go with PCO.
You want anything else, go with CMBN.
Good Hunting.
MR
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
You should buy it because I say it is good!ORIGINAL: henri51
I have the demo of both games, and both are good. Now which one to buy?
But really, you tried both, buy whatever gave you more fun. Then later get the other one, you know you want both![;)]
RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
I have both games and both are worth the hard earned cash IMHO.
Only down side I see in PCO is it runs slow and has low fps on my XP machine. [:(] I even have to turn down stuff to get a 30 fps game. [&:]
But PCO runs 60 fps with everything on when I use my Win 7 machine [:D]
Basically, you need to buy both as stated above
Only down side I see in PCO is it runs slow and has low fps on my XP machine. [:(] I even have to turn down stuff to get a 30 fps game. [&:]
Now CMBN runs fast and with everything on..... [&:]XP - sp3
Pentiun 3.20GHz
3.25 GB of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT - 512 MB
1920 x 1200
But PCO runs 60 fps with everything on when I use my Win 7 machine [:D]
Basically, you need to buy both as stated above
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
Do you play against the AI? Most people here have reported a good experience with the AI. No scripting required.
Do you play against humans? Our MP system is automatic and quick. No moving files around.
Do you play against humans? Our MP system is automatic and quick. No moving files around.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
ORIGINAL: Richie61
I have both games and both are worth the hard earned cash IMHO.
Only down side I see in PCO is it runs slow and has low fps on my XP machine. [:(] I even have to turn down stuff to get a 30 fps game. [&:]Now CMBN runs fast and with everything on..... [&:]XP - sp3
Pentiun 3.20GHz
3.25 GB of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT - 512 MB
1920 x 1200
But PCO runs 60 fps with everything on when I use my Win 7 machine [:D]
Basically, you need to buy both as stated above
Is your Windows 7 machine multi-core?
Good Hunting.
MR
The most expensive thing in the world is free time.
Founder of HSG scenario design group for Combat Mission.
Panzer Command Ostfront Development Team.
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm Development Team.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
Let's see...where to start?
Depends on what you're basic interests are.
If you want more than just a few vehicle models covering the summer months in a restricted area, go with PCO.
You want a game that will play on an older machine got with POC.
You want the entire inventory of vehicles from 1941 through 1945 go with PCO.
You want platoon oriented combat go with PCO.
You want WeGo that's fine tuned for multiple gaming styles go with PCO.
You want variable turn speeds and sequencing ability, go with PCO.
You want platoon based unit orders, go with PCO.
You want a map maker that used Google Earth satellite imagery to create maps, go with PCO.
You want support from a development team that asks for, and implements, your ideas about improvements for the game, go with PCO.
You want the ability to mod any part of the game that moves, has sound or has graphics representation, go with PCO.
You want expansions that are coming between now and the next installment in the series, go with PCO.
You want an extremely detailed armored combat model with supporting combat models for artillery, infantry and close air support, go with PCO.
You want more content for your money, go with PCO.
You want anything else, go with CMBN.
Good Hunting.
MR
first of all i wanted to say MR's response should be turned into a song. your not only a virtual general but also a poet.
on to your question:
here is what I suggest, buy pco first and play the hell out of it. that will take a couple of months. then buy cmbn because its a good game also. you then play the hell out that plus its user made scenarios.
by that time, pco's first expansion will arrive(hopefully). so then come back to pco and play the hell out of it. keep repeating the steps until 2015.
both games deserve your full attention, so take the time play both. thats what i am doing.
hope this helps.
RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
1. Russian Front vs Western Front
2. Random Campaign generator with over 90+ possible threads of battle to partake in throughout the campaign
3. A real TacAI opponent on random generated battles whereas CM:BN has NONE unless the scenario is player made
4. A real TacAI that is challenging and has beaten my butt which rarely ever happens in pc games.
5. The ability to see where you are attacking, what you are attacking and what is attacking you with combat lines from you and to your target.
6. A customer service rep like Mad Russian unsurpassed by any other especially Steve from Battlefront.
7. A Kill Camara which I love so when something happens during a turn or phase you DO get to see it, CM:BN does not have this
8. Price when it's released at NWSonline.com will be the same $35 + S/H like the direct download here and you'll get that beautiful color printed manual
9. It just feels more real during the battles to me and there just feels like there's more content for the $$ than in CM:BN
10. It's free to Panzer Command Kharkov owners, let's see Battlefront do that for all its CMBO, CMBB and CMAK owners.
2. Random Campaign generator with over 90+ possible threads of battle to partake in throughout the campaign
3. A real TacAI opponent on random generated battles whereas CM:BN has NONE unless the scenario is player made
4. A real TacAI that is challenging and has beaten my butt which rarely ever happens in pc games.
5. The ability to see where you are attacking, what you are attacking and what is attacking you with combat lines from you and to your target.
6. A customer service rep like Mad Russian unsurpassed by any other especially Steve from Battlefront.
7. A Kill Camara which I love so when something happens during a turn or phase you DO get to see it, CM:BN does not have this
8. Price when it's released at NWSonline.com will be the same $35 + S/H like the direct download here and you'll get that beautiful color printed manual
9. It just feels more real during the battles to me and there just feels like there's more content for the $$ than in CM:BN
10. It's free to Panzer Command Kharkov owners, let's see Battlefront do that for all its CMBO, CMBB and CMAK owners.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
ORIGINAL: Richie61
I have both games and both are worth the hard earned cash IMHO.
Only down side I see in PCO is it runs slow and has low fps on my XP machine. [:(] I even have to turn down stuff to get a 30 fps game. [&:]Now CMBN runs fast and with everything on..... [&:]XP - sp3
Pentiun 3.20GHz
3.25 GB of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT - 512 MB
1920 x 1200
But PCO runs 60 fps with everything on when I use my Win 7 machine [:D]
Basically, you need to buy both as stated above
Is your Windows 7 machine multi-core?
Good Hunting.
MR
Yes.
To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
That's probably why it runs faster than on your XP machine.
Good Hunting.
MR
Good Hunting.
MR
The most expensive thing in the world is free time.
Founder of HSG scenario design group for Combat Mission.
Panzer Command Ostfront Development Team.
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm Development Team.
Founder of HSG scenario design group for Combat Mission.
Panzer Command Ostfront Development Team.
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm Development Team.
RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
ORIGINAL: Richie61
I have both games and both are worth the hard earned cash IMHO.
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I have both, as well, and agree that we're fortunate to have these two excellent games now available, covering different fronts! [8D]
RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
I think one can't seriously compare PCO to CMBN. And why should they be compared anyway? CMBN is brilliant, but that doesn't make PCO any less fun. On the contrary, I'm glad with both. Both game have lots of potential.
And any self-respecting wargamer should have them both installed on his pc.
And any self-respecting wargamer should have them both installed on his pc.
RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
For me a key reason is that PCO runs great in my multicore laptop with everything maxed. On the other hand to make CMBN smooth I have to turn off many options and it ends looking much worse than PCO.
When you take into account the price, DRM, support from the development team, AI, modding potential, etc. it should be a very easy choice.
Also, East Front vs Normandy? for me it's not even close.
When you take into account the price, DRM, support from the development team, AI, modding potential, etc. it should be a very easy choice.
Also, East Front vs Normandy? for me it's not even close.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
@Henri51
My own opinion is that you wait for some independent reviews to come out on PCO. Read the AARs which are coming out now on PCO, continue to play the demo. How does it feel to you? How does CMBN feel to you? I wouldn't take Mad Russians opinion on the game too seriously, he has a vested interest in selling this game and is known for his dislike of BF. As for diablo1, well...LOL he's just diablo1. [;)] Both are good in many areas, better than the other in some areas. I myself am probably going to get both, I already have CMBN and am still deciding on PCO. Very close to PCO though, it is the infantry model which gives me pause. Eric's new tutorial video titled "Boot Camp" has pushed me in the direction of forgiving the infantry model limitations. Just take your time to decide, there really is no need to hurry and spend your money....correct? [:)]
My own opinion is that you wait for some independent reviews to come out on PCO. Read the AARs which are coming out now on PCO, continue to play the demo. How does it feel to you? How does CMBN feel to you? I wouldn't take Mad Russians opinion on the game too seriously, he has a vested interest in selling this game and is known for his dislike of BF. As for diablo1, well...LOL he's just diablo1. [;)] Both are good in many areas, better than the other in some areas. I myself am probably going to get both, I already have CMBN and am still deciding on PCO. Very close to PCO though, it is the infantry model which gives me pause. Eric's new tutorial video titled "Boot Camp" has pushed me in the direction of forgiving the infantry model limitations. Just take your time to decide, there really is no need to hurry and spend your money....correct? [:)]
RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
Without comparing it to any other game, all I can really say about PCO is that it 'feels' right. Whether the outcomes are good or bad in game, I have never thought WTF how did that happen? It's immersive, it's addictive.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
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@Henri51
My own opinion is that you wait for some independent reviews to come out on PCO. Read the AARs which are coming out now on PCO, continue to play the demo. How does it feel to you? How does CMBN feel to you? I wouldn't take Mad Russians opinion on the game too seriously, he has a vested interest in selling this game and is known for his dislike of BF. As for diablo1, well...LOL he's just diablo1. [;)] Both are good in many areas, better than the other in some areas. I myself am probably going to get both, I already have CMBN and am still deciding on PCO. Very close to PCO though, it is the infantry model which gives me pause. Eric's new tutorial video titled "Boot Camp" has pushed me in the direction of forgiving the infantry model limitations. Just take your time to decide, there really is no need to hurry and spend your money....correct? [:)]
I agree with some of what you say.
Independent reviews are a bit of mixed bag. I have seen good games trashed by someone that doesn't read the manual and doesn't play turn based games. They fumble along, don't understand anything, and proclaim the game junk.
We try to give you as much documentation as possible and explain as much under the hood stuff as we can. There are youtube videos and tutorials. Pictorial How To's. Forum explanations.
In the end though you need to like the game and how it feels as others have said. You have the demo. It has the full manual. There are options for how it plays. Play from both sides.
Good luck in your quest.
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RE: Convince me that I should buy it instead of CBN
ORIGINAL: RedCharlie65
I wouldn't take Mad Russians opinion on the game too seriously, he has a vested interest in selling this game
I would hope that my posts about PCO are realistic; and not just a "sales pitch" as you infer. We answer all questions honestly here. He asked and I told him my opinion.
and is known for his dislike of BF. [:)]
I recommend that gamers buy CMBN all the time. My dislikes are not about their games. Hopefully, I would be known for far more things than my "dislike of BF".
I dislike their products so much I have more than 90 scenarios at The Scenario Depot II for CMBB and CMAK.
Good Hunting.
MR
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Founder of HSG scenario design group for Combat Mission.
Panzer Command Ostfront Development Team.
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm Development Team.
Founder of HSG scenario design group for Combat Mission.
Panzer Command Ostfront Development Team.
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm Development Team.