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Pirate Bay founders lose Court case

Landmark ruling in piracy debate arrives, as four Swedish ‘entrepreneurs’ are given custodial sentences

The founders of the BitTorrent Pirate Bay website have been found guilty of ‘assisting in making copyright content available’ this morning – with all four execs given custodial sentences.

In a landmark case in the differentiation between file-sharers and pirates, the Swedish Court found Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm, Carl Lundström guilty – and sentenced each to a year in prison.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/33959/Pirate- ... court-case
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Clearly guilty as charged.

The verdict, though, is probably just as bad for the music and movie industry as it is for the Pirate Bay folks as it will entrench a view they have that is grossly mistaken. They simply don't understand what the real problem is; not 'piracy' but the fact that their own distribution model is years behind the times, and that they need to adopt one that is high volume, low cost and above all easy and instant access.

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I'm personally sick of those Pirate Bay people trying to portray themselves as "innocent martyrs" when they're juvenile punks, but this verdict does smack a bit of the courts trying to make an example of a rather weak case.
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There has been huge debates on many forums. So many people come up and defend them on most ridiculous reasons.

Mostly they are guilty on been way too open and arrogant about it all. If they had kept lower profile and used common sence this might have not happened.

Even then they get max 6 months and piratebay keeps going on (another countries) so not much changes. They even keep the income from the adds. The 3,5 million they were forced to pay has allready been promised to pay by som rich swede as a gift.

People will keep enjoying free content from piratebay and feel sorry for the admins spending som time on jail. Im not sure if this is yet a victory at all.
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I agree with Hertston. And to add, Piracy would be much less of an issue if the companies sorted out their business model. That isn't condoning piracy at all...but like Hertston said, they are light years behind technology and pricing structure. Add to that the ridiculous laws they enforce and you get people hating the industry.

You know I cannot stream radio at my work through the computer unless the company stumps up a few hundred pounds a year for it for me? You know it costs me <£10 for a CD in a store...and it costs me the exact same (or very, very slightly less) to download the same CD or individual songs? So for me to download a CD costs the company the same as to produce the CD, artwork, jewel case, ship it to a retail outlet, man said retail outlet and post it to me? Really?

Does anyone remember how much a tape used to cost? Not much more than a CD does just now, and yet their production costs have dramatically decreased. Now they can have a file sitting on a computer and push it to disc arrays...cds are burned in seconds, by the hundreds.

Sorry...but the music industry is one of my big pet peeves...run by a bunch of dinosaurs! Ridiculous.

As for the case itself, I know nothing of Pirate Bay or Bittorrent, but I am concerned that these people are going to be encroaching more and more on peoples privacy by holding ISPs to ransome for information on individuals.
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While Google also points to copyrighted material and gives rise to infringement all over the place (owning YouTube!), the avowed purpose of the Google and "Pirate Bay" are different!&nbsp; LOL
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I think if Pirate Bay had been named something less offensive, like, "YouFile", they wouldn't have had their asses handed to them in court like that.
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While Google also points to copyrighted material and gives rise to infringement all over the place (owning YouTube!), the avowed purpose of the Google and "Pirate Bay" are different!  LOL

I think if Pirate Bay had been named something less offensive, like, "YouFile", they wouldn't have had their asses handed to them in court like that.
Actually if piratebay had been more co-operative perhaps removed warez links when asked (they did remove som links i.e child porn?) Im sure they would have won the case.

Google actually removes illegal links when asked. Its motive is not to provide them. Ebay and fake rolex is good example:
Rolex sues ebay for some fake Rolex being sold.... but its okay for ebay as long they remove the fakes and "do all they can" to prevent this in teh future = which is one drunk studen checking the bids while surfing the net or something (and the judge will perfectly agree its ok and tell Rolex to GTFO)
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I think they'd have to change the name first[:D].

Anyway, I can't way until they'll start to lock up librarians because they allow people to read books for free[:D].
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Does anyone remember how much a tape used to cost? Not much more than a CD does just now, and yet their production costs have dramatically decreased. Now they can have a file sitting on a computer and push it to disc arrays...cds are burned in seconds, by the hundreds.
Yeah. Not to mention ripping off people outside the fairyland by selling the easily copyable goods for those ridculous fairyland prices.
I'm not buying games/music produced in fairyland anymore (unless they have normal prices) - I can get Polish music for a decent price.
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I think they'd have to change the name first[:D].
Well whats so bad about pirates. Techinically its leeching not pirating. We even have pirate day. Dont put pirates down. [:'(]
Yeah. Not to mention ripping off people outside the fairyland by selling the easily copyable goods for those ridculous fairyland prices.
I'm not buying games/music produced in fairyland anymore (unless they have normal prices) - I can get Polish music for a decent price.

Movie/music industry is totally different from games industry. Unlike them for games the game sales is the only source of revenue. And the fact that big corporations leech music revenue as middleman is no reason to defend piracy as whole (or should I say leeching?).

If you live in Poland I can understand your affordability range though. Hopefully you get there with rest of us EU with time.
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I can get Polish music for a decent price.
Shouldn't the question be, "Can you get decent Polish music for any price?" [:D]
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Movie/music industry is totally different from games industry. Unlike them for games the game sales is the only source of revenue.
That's why I'm comparing game piracy to libraries. Funny fact about libraries - in my city there are 7 libraries in city centre alone - including one devoted to Science Fiction.
One can read about 5-10 good books a month for years or even decades without having to buy a single book. I think it isn't good for the book market, and local writers, taking in account how it's much easier to save money for a book than for a computer game.
Hell, even one guy from CC forums that talks about how piracy is thievery and brags about his 40" TV and his super-computers also talked about how libraries are "good" because they allow him to save hundreds of dollars every year.
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If you live in Poland I can understand your affordability range though. Hopefully you get there with rest of us EU with time.
Frankly, I don't see it happening within the next 20 years. 90% of adults here don't have any savings and 80% are in debt.
Which means that thanks to the liberal governments, many people will go under as soon as they'll go ill, lose a job, etc.
There's more and more of people that live by searching for cans and paper in trash bins.
Of course, there's the whole liberal propaganda of success and self-sufficiency - it's very helpful when your in a hospital or out of contracts and you don't have saved money for 6 months of living because the government took away half of your monthly "income" (of course "income" somehow includes money for paying back loans you had to take a few years later when you were in a similar situation and feeding yourself and your kid - because, people totally can work when malnourished and without a roof over head. But hey, it worked in concentration camps.).

Of course every person that goes under, stops being a customer of several businesses and decreases their incomes, so it's a vicious circle.

Also, judging by the fact that most of the goods sold in stores are sold by companies from the west, I suspect that a huge part of the money we make ends up in pockets of western investors instead of increasing the national wealth.

As for the state of the gaming market in Poland, I blame Polish gaming magazines and their one-sided anti-piracy campaign. While they were fighting and condemning pirates, they should have fought and condemned foreign publishers for not adjusting to the local market as well.
They should have taught players that allowing foreigners to drain the nation of its precious and scarce resources by buying western games that cost 1/5 of a minimal wage isn't a good idea (I would rather call it a national treachery or something like that).

Hmm...
Actually, it would be reasonable to use libraries to read foreign books and save for Polish ones.
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Shouldn't the question be, "Can you get decent Polish music for any price?" [:D]
Well, I was quite surprised to discover that there is a lot of good/decent Polish bands - they are simply less known than bands from the fairyland because their music isn't played in radio or on MTV. Usually, I'm buying music on Allegro - I search for Extreme Metal below 25 PLN. If I find something interesting, I check on YouTube or Rapidshare (amusingly, downloading music in Poland is legal as long as one doesn't share). If they are good, then I buy the CD.
Or, I go Empik and browse shelves for CDs under 30 PLN. Then I listen a few tracks in store and buy the best CD.
Allegro is the best, because there people that sell CDs straight from the records - prices are lower than in stores and sometimes there are promotions - I've recently bought two good CDs for 9,99 PLN each.
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That's why I'm comparing game piracy to libraries. Funny fact about libraries - in my city there are 7 libraries in city centre alone - including one devoted to Science Fiction.
One can read about 5-10 good books a month for years or even decades without having to buy a single book. I think it isn't good for the book market, and local writers, taking in account how it's much easier to save money for a book than for a computer game.
Hell, even one guy from CC forums that talks about how piracy is thievery and brags about his 40" TV and his super-computers also talked about how libraries are "good" because they allow him to save hundreds of dollars every year.

I don't think your analogy to libraries holds up in this case. They are talking about pirating in the sense of copying and keeping a reproduction of a copyrighted product. If when you borrowed a library book you made a copy of it and printed it out then you would be talking about the same thing. Most if not all people, when they borrow from a library, just read the book and return it. As far as I know, it's not illegal to loan someone a CD or DVD as long as they don't reproduce it. Although they are primarily talking about monetary loss, piracy also involves the theft of intellectual property (although I'd have a hard time calling some CD's "intellectual". [;)] )

Having said the above, I do agree that entertainment copyright holders and producers are way over-reacting to this. I find it hard to accept that some millionare musician is all pushed out of shape because some guy who earns less than 20K a year downloads a CD off the internet.
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I don't think your analogy to libraries holds up in this case. They are talking about pirating in the sense of copying and keeping a reproduction of a copyrighted product. If when you borrowed a library book you made a copy of it and printed it out then you would be talking about the same thing. Most if not all people, when they borrow from a library, just read the book and return it. As far as I know, it's not illegal to loan someone a CD or DVD as long as they don't reproduce it. Although they are primarily talking about monetary loss, piracy also involves the theft of intellectual property (although I'd have a hard time calling some CD's "intellectual". [;)] )
Well, if we are looking at piracy as how government goons are defining it, then they are not the same.

On the other hand, from a moral point they are exactly the same. Someone is works hard to create a commercial intellectual property and it's made available for people to use for free. In case of books it's more harmful because books are easier to buy (so the possibility of the library user buying a book that isn't in library is much higher than the possibility of a torrent user buying a super-expensive game or other program) and usually reading a book once satisfies the need of buyer/borrower.
Also, books compete on market with other goods which aren't legally available for free, which increases the chance that the potential customer will simply choose to read books for free and buy the other goods.
Since most of the libraries are owned by the government, it could be simply solved by partially commercialising them - they could simply take a small payment for borrowing books whose authors still live which would be paid the author as royalties.
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I keep wondering when YouTube will get in trouble.&nbsp; I've been wondering on that for years now....

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I keep wondering when YouTube will get in trouble.  I've been wondering on that for years now....
Already over and done with. When Google took it over they made a few adjustments to make it more difficult (but by no means impossible) to post copyrighted content without the owners' permission. The movie and TV moguls know that Google has the lawyers to make a court fight a losing proposition.
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Thought I'd do a test.  One movie I haven't seen in ages was that old classic 1984.  Typed it in, and sure enough... the entire movie is avail for watching...


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I keep wondering when YouTube will get in trouble. I've been wondering on that for years now....
Already over and done with. When Google took it over they made a few adjustments to make it more difficult (but by no means impossible) to post copyrighted content without the owners' permission. The movie and TV moguls know that Google has the lawyers to make a court fight a losing proposition.
They didn't make it difficult. They just remove it when notified.
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Clearly guilty as charged.

The verdict, though, is probably just as bad for the music and movie industry as it is for the Pirate Bay folks as it will entrench a view they have that is grossly mistaken. They simply don't understand what the real problem is; not 'piracy' but the fact that their own distribution model is years behind the times, and that they need to adopt one that is high volume, low cost and above all easy and instant access.


Could not agree more. Yet, the idiots running the big media companies will go back to their ivory towers, convinced that soon they'll return to a world of CDs selling 4 million copies and every movie under the sun doing $90 mil + in grosses.
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