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Back in about '98 I read a future predictions issued by BT. One of them was economic collapse and a uprising in the States leading to civil war. After seeing alot of civil war references with regards to gun control do you think a civil war could happen if a Law was brought in against the 2nd amendment and Guns where banned\illegal?

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A decade or so ago, Russian intellectuals (at the Institute for US and Canadian Studies?) were advancing the theory that the U.S. was destined to break up in the not too distant future.

I scoffed at the idea then, but now I'm not so sure. Massive civil unrest (to the point of civil war?) and breakup of these United States is still unlikely, but no longer inconceivable, IMO.
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The original idea was a bunch of countries with a central system of protection and trade. Kinda went wonky at some point.
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Or maybe caucasians will become the boogieman in the USA similar to Jewish folks in Nazi Germany.
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ORIGINAL: wodin

Back in about '98 I read a future predictions issued by BT. One of them was economic collapse and a uprising in the States leading to civil war. After seeing alot of civil war references with regards to gun control do you think a civil war could happen if a Law was brought in against the 2nd amendment and Guns where banned\illegal?

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I think another civil war or more likely massive civil unrest is inevitable. With the re-election of Obama there is now no chance of preventing the eventual total economic collapse of our country similar to what has happened over in Greece. Except there isn't anyone around to bail us out like the rest of Europe is trying to bail out the Greeks, so eventually the police will go home here as they won't be getting paid anymore when the collapse begins.

As of this past year our debt to GDP ratio is now above 100% and is set to skyrocket by the end of 2014 due to all the massive new spending Obama care mandates.

http://ycharts.com/indicators/us_public ... =&endDate=

It's a lit fuse and you can clearly see it coming, but at this point it's too late to stop it. Eventually our ability to simply pay the interest on the massive increases to come in our debt will force the government to print huge amounts of currency to deflate the dollar so massively that they can then pay off the interest. Of course this will piss off all our debt holders, but what it does to average every day Americans is far worse.

That one event will lead to huge inflation like they saw in Germany after WWI when loaves of bread went for millions of Deutschemarks. Now suddenly you have all the recently retired baby boomers fixed income retirements become worthless overnight. What follows when everyone realizes the government printed away their retirement incomes will be beyond ugly, but my guess is there will be something along the lines of a war of some sort or another.

Gun control is just one of the freedoms they are about to take. You have to go back to 2008 and remember what Obama asked for back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

The only thing a military organization as large and as powerful as that could possibly be needed for in today's world is to take on the US military. There is no other purpose for such a strong force given that the US military as a whole is virtually indestructible when considering most any other possible threat in the world. There is nothing they can't and don't handle, so why would he need another force that large and that powerful? They quickly stopped him talking, but this was a rare candid moment and gives you direct insight to what the eventual plans for the US are.

I believe they are intentionally driving the US into collapse, it's been the plan from day one. Otherwise going forward when it's clear what the end result will be is pure insanity, but forward we go. In their warped world view if they control the reins of power when they break it they think they'll be the ones to build what comes after like the Communists did in Russia after the revolution, but not without a fight, that's for sure.
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I used to laugh at the tin foil hat crowd until it got so blatant. NDAA for example.

Why is Microsoft, google, facebook, twitter, so big? So that they can keep track of you. Does govt run on Windows and Office? Why is Skype free? So that they can get a faceshot of you for face recognition software. Why do people report that their laptop camera and microphone turn on by themselves? Why do they give cell phones to poor people? GPS tracking and call monitoring. ad nauseam...
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the end of the weimar republic began when they started buying their own debt,just like the fed is doing now under the guise of "quantitive easing".
it got to the point where workers were given time off half way thru the day so they could buy food before the marks value went down which it did daily.
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I had no idea so many people were conservative here [X(]

There won't be another civil war. Something needs to be done about gun control that still protects the rights of legal gunowners. And Obama is the same as every president the US ever had, a war criminal who protects the interests of the US and like every politician, loves power.

If the US would just cut its Defense spending, then we can help our nation's poorest citizens who need help.

There is no war but class war, my friends. And if you think that making the rich pay a bit more in taxes (the deal ended up being only the top %.02 (those making more than 400k instead of 200k) Americans instead of 2%, because Obama is a conservative himself, and not the marxist socialist people like to believe, he is still bound by the powers of those who have WEALTH) will ruin the country, then I really think you should re-evaluate how our government works, which is this: The wealthy have more say than average folks like you or I.

I'll end with a quote:

"John Steinbeck once said that 'socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.'
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Before this gets locked up, I wanted to share this

Oliver Stone interview

Socialism is everyone lowering their expectations so that being miserable is not so bad. And the top 2% still have all the wealth and power.
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ORIGINAL: junk2drive

Before this gets locked up, I wanted to share this

Oliver Stone interview

Socialism is everyone lowering their expectations so that being miserable is not so bad. And the top 2% still have all the wealth and power.

Replace that quote with capitalism instead of socialism and its the same thing. Add a dash of "brave new world" and voila: America
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I had no idea so many people were conservative here [X(]

There won't be another civil war. Something needs to be done about gun control that still protects the rights of legal gunowners. And Obama is the same as every president the US ever had, a war criminal who protects the interests of the US and like every politician, loves power.

If the US would just cut its Defense spending, then we can help our nation's poorest citizens who need help.

There is no war but class war, my friends. And if you think that making the rich pay a bit more in taxes (the deal ended up being only the top %.02 (those making more than 400k instead of 200k) Americans instead of 2%, because Obama is a conservative himself, and not the marxist socialist people like to believe, he is still bound by the powers of those who have WEALTH) will ruin the country, then I really think you should re-evaluate how our government works, which is this: The wealthy have more say than average folks like you or I.

I'll end with a quote:

"John Steinbeck once said that 'socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.'

I'm one of the token radical Liberals here [:D] Used to have some great political fights here before they cracked down (which was a good thing).

Anyway, I agree with you 100%

Just this morning though, I was at our local flea market and everyone was ranting about Obama is coming for their guns... there was complete agreement that the recent gun atrocities had all been "faked" by the Obama administration to set us up for gun control. Yep, none of those little kids were shot at all, it's all a conspiracy of the left wing media. These are my neighbors [:(]
Now I know why I need to get myself armed quickly... thinking M-14 with Sniper Scope... AK-74 for intermediate range defense... and a Glock 45 on my hip. Way too many crazies in America and I can see violence happening... which we will all regret as the body count rises. [:(]
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Just remember... if we go down... we'll take the whole world with us [:(]

So, everyone had best pray or chant or whatever... and hope this doesn't come to pass.
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There is no war but class war, my friends. And if you think that making the rich pay a bit more in taxes (the deal ended up being only the top %.02 (those making more than 400k instead of 200k) Americans instead of 2%, because Obama is a conservative himself, and not the marxist socialist people like to believe, he is still bound by the powers of those who have WEALTH) will ruin the country, then I really think you should re-evaluate how our government works, which is this: The wealthy have more say than average folks like you or I.

Oh dear Lord. I just fell outta my chair. I just never realized Obama was such a conservative. WOW.
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I really can't stand gun control arguments. The founders clearly spelled out why they included a right to bear arms, read what some of the founders wrote:

George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which inspired our Constitution's Bill of Rights, said, "To disarm the people -- that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

Thomas Jefferson: "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."

Alexander Hamilton: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed," adding later, "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government."
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There's some absolutely weird stuff being presented out there as fact. People who should know better claim that the 2nd amendment does not protect the right of every law abiding citizen to own a firearm. To hear supposedly intelligent people claim it only meant the army, or some nebulous militias that never even existed outside of every person being called to the defense of their homes, is alarming.

Anyway, I thought this would be a thread about Ageod and the fact they will be putting out an ACW 2 - update to their first Ageod's ACW. Count me in on that one! Due out in 2013, but don't put that down as set in stone. [:)]
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It's a lot scarier than gun control. Consumer confidence is down dramatically. Speaking economically, the debt is like a pyramid scheme that may soon collapse.

Worldwide, food, water and energy all have similar demand curves - straight up. In the 1950s, it took one barrel of oil to get 15 out of the ground. Now we only get 3 barrels out of it. The "easy" oil is harder to get. Takes more oil (energy) to grow food, etc. Population grows exponentially. Just an example that unrestricted worldwide economic growth may be impossible to sustain. At 56, I am not concerned for myself. But I am extremely concerned about the younger generation - "kids" under 20. And yes, I am praying.
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There's some absolutely weird stuff being presented out there as fact. People who should know better claim that the 2nd amendment does not protect the right of every law abiding citizen to own a firearm. To hear supposedly intelligent people claim it only meant the army, or some nebulous militias that never even existed outside of every person being called to the defense of their homes, is alarming.

Anyway, I thought this would be a thread about Ageod and the fact they will be putting out an ACW 2 - update to their first Ageod's ACW. Count me in on that one! Due out in 2013, but don't put that down as set in stone. [:)]

I can't understand one's inability to read. If the people involved in founding this country wrote about how important it was for the citizens to be armed, then I fail to comprehend how those who state the 2nd amendment was NOT intended for all people to be armed can claim to READ.

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There is no war but class war, my friends. And if you think that making the rich pay a bit more in taxes (the deal ended up being only the top %.02 (those making more than 400k instead of 200k) Americans instead of 2%, because Obama is a conservative himself, and not the marxist socialist people like to believe, he is still bound by the powers of those who have WEALTH) will ruin the country, then I really think you should re-evaluate how our government works, which is this: The wealthy have more say than average folks like you or I.

Oh dear Lord. I just fell outta my chair. I just never realized Obama was such a conservative. WOW.

He certainly isn't a Liberal / Progressive. I'd rank him just a tiny bit left of center, nothing particularly extraordinary, probably on a par with JFK, but with less backbone. Honestly, if he was White, we wouldn't be having this debate. I see nothing particularly radical about him. Even Obamacare is basically a Republican plan modified to please Health Insurance companies, I certainly don't look upon it as socialist - I supported creating a public option for all under Medicare (a system that has proven to be more cost effective than the private health care and insurance rackets) and Obamacare definitely ain't it!

Beyond that he has carried over way too many Bush initiatives and policies for my liking and sucked up to the Financial sector way too much as well. In another alternative world, he could have been a moderate Republican (white, of course).

If we need our guns, it's going to be to stop a right wing populist from seizing power and establishing an American Theocracy, not some fantasized socialist revolution. Do you ever worry about all the reports of religious proselytizing within our armed forces? At the Service Academies? If our military ever goes along with a coup, it will be to support a right wing Christian dictatorship, not a socialist regime. That's what people need to be worried about.
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